Ellington

WJTV—which has done stellar reporting in the Heather Spencer rape/murder—is reporting that the accused murderer is being housed in the women's jail downtown, not the Hinds County Detention Center where murder suspects would normally be. The reasons are unclear. WJTV is also pointing out that police finally charged him with domestic violence for the June hammer-beating of Spencer—after he allegedly bludgeoned her to death last week. Why the belated domestic-violence charge is a misdemeanor, rather than a felony assault charge for the 57 staples put in her head, is unclear at this time.

Previous Comments

ID

95722

Comment

You've got to be kidding me!! The women's jail???????????? No way!!!! He deserves to make some new man friends!! This stinks!!!!!!

Author

Birdseye

Date

2007-09-18T12:28:59-06:00

ID

95723

Comment

There was some chatter in the office about giving all the women hammers and flashlights and seeing what happened then.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-18T12:31:04-06:00

ID

95724

Comment

Now you're talking. Bludgeon his testosterone butt.

Author

Birdseye

Date

2007-09-18T12:34:21-06:00

ID

95725

Comment

That would be sledgehammers if your going to do it right!

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-18T12:44:57-06:00

ID

95726

Comment

Why are they babying this dude? If he thought he was man enough to beat a woman to death, he should be man enough to deal with the Detention Center.

Author

LatashaWillis

Date

2007-09-18T12:52:08-06:00

ID

95727

Comment

I don't know. Maybe for the same reason that they have NOW charged him with a MISDEMEANOR domestic-violence charge for trying to kill her back in June. And is there no concern about what his mother was up to all night in the house? If the rumors are true that she was there alone with the body at any point, and didn't call the police, all sympathy is gone. She should be charged with something if that is true.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-18T12:54:05-06:00

ID

95728

Comment

If the rumors are true that she was there alone with the body at any point, and didn't call the police, all sympathy is gone. She should be charged with something if that is true. That really hurts my heart. How can one woman do that to another woman considering all we have dealt with for centuries? Just had a terrible thought. What if Spencer didn't die right away? What if there was time to save her?

Author

LatashaWillis

Date

2007-09-18T12:58:16-06:00

ID

95729

Comment

The women got shanks out there too. There are probably better facilities out there to house and protect him from himself and others. Maybe this is a way to torture him slowly as women looked on. Did men or women send him out there?

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2007-09-18T12:58:37-06:00

ID

95730

Comment

What if Spencer didn't die right away? What if there was time to save her? How can we NOT wonder that? We don't know who sent him there, Ray. Trying to find out. I don't know about y'all, but I think it's time for a New Women's Movement in Mississippi. It doesn't seem like the last one took quite well enough here. Todd likes to talk about the "new women's network"; let's put it to good use, which includes getting a woman chief who is clueless about her job and there to serve the whims of a powerful man out of that job. I'm really, really sickened by all this.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-18T13:10:13-06:00

ID

95731

Comment

OK, here's what sources are telling us about the women's jail: First from someone who knows him: George was put in the cell in Jackson so that he could be monitored more closely. His cell is actually about 4x8 solid stainless steel, with a stainless steel bed, stainless steel toilet. he has no clothing but underwear. no pillows, no blankets, and he is utterly miserable and freezing. And from someone in law enforcement: Happens all the time. There are a handful (probably 20) male defendants in the jail behind the courthouse at any given time. This is not particularly special treatment, although if I had my choice, I honestly would choose Jackson over Raymond.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-18T14:54:36-06:00

ID

95732

Comment

George Bell Bobbitt has a nice ring to it don't you think?

Author

Rico

Date

2007-09-18T15:26:59-06:00

ID

95733

Comment

I can't fault the sheriff for housing George in a place where he can't kill himself, after all that is what he was contemplating doing when he was arrested. This is a high profile case and it "wouldn't do" to have George off himself before the trial. Anything that diverts attention from the crime and not the victim only works against the sheriff and hence what happens in most cases where there is media attention. Tossing George to the inmates at large would be a huge risk for the sheriff and create liability he doesn't want to accept.

Author

GLewis

Date

2007-09-18T17:35:43-06:00

ID

95734

Comment

In all fairness to McMillin, both male and female inmates are housed downtown. However they are separated.

Author

thetruth

Date

2007-09-18T20:06:23-06:00

ID

95735

Comment

Does anyone know if Mrs. Bell has left town? If so, is there any speculation as to where? She has to be hiding out somewhere. Any input?

Author

JMK

Date

2007-09-18T20:59:26-06:00

ID

95736

Comment

She is and has been in town. In Jackson... She has not been hiding out.

Author

wallygator

Date

2007-09-18T21:26:24-06:00

ID

95737

Comment

Wallygator How can you be sure ot this?

Author

JMK

Date

2007-09-18T21:33:25-06:00

ID

95738

Comment

I spoke with her, in fact as late as today.

Author

wallygator

Date

2007-09-18T22:24:13-06:00

ID

95739

Comment

I will reaffirm the point, I am sure he is being housed where he is to lower the sheriff's and counties liability. I would LOVE to see him tossed into general pop at the WOMEN'S facility and run a clock on how long he lasts. However, the sheriff is protecting himself and the county from liability. Thank goodness. As much as I hate protecting him so exclusively and costly, I would hate a large verdict against the county paid by the tax payers even more. This is why our sheriff stayed in office.... brains and forward thinking about his constituents. If only our mayor could also protect our citizens from liability.. Oh wait he creates it...

Author

AGamm627

Date

2007-09-18T23:23:51-06:00

ID

95740

Comment

Wallygator Does Mrs. Bell feel any remorse about being part of all of the cover up? That stand off was staged, I'm sure. I've been in the helping profession and law enforcement for too many years. 99% of those who TRULLY want to end their lives, go off and do it where nobody is around. AND!!!! that stupid photo of GB III made me sick. He was standing there posing as if he were going to be in the VIP magazine.

Author

JMK

Date

2007-09-19T06:16:17-06:00

ID

95741

Comment

When viewing Mrs. Bell on TV, she seemed way tooo calm to have been sitting in a car with her son and a gun to his head. Sheesh!!! she was in the driver's seat. Instead of continuing west on Northside Drive, she should have taken a right on Old Canton and driven right to Precinct 4.

Author

JMK

Date

2007-09-19T06:21:40-06:00

ID

95742

Comment

"Does Mrs. Bell feel any remorse about being part of all of the cover up?" JMK, you being in law enforcement, how do you assume her involvement and the staging of this event. I know almost every detail of this incident and I shutter to think that you have already prosecuted her in your head without knowng the facts. Is this the treatment you give people that you stop on the street. An overbearing condemnation, and assumption of guilt. If she had no involvement------- how do you see her reputation rebounding after you plaster unfounded guilt all over this site. Be careful what you say about people------ character and reputation take a lifetime to build but only an instant to lose, lets make sure that we are not jumping the gun..... If she is found (charged) guilty of something , then the door is open to comments.....

Author

wallygator

Date

2007-09-19T08:17:57-06:00

ID

95743

Comment

JMK, I feel like you are not asking questions; but trying to stir up the rumor pot. I'm not defending Ms Bell, but she may have been in shock? Maybe she freaked out, and fell under the spell of fear? Fear of her son, and fear of dying. If she was a victim of abuse by a man at one time, then she may have had all kinds of emotions and paralyzing fear/shock overcome her, thus making it hard to do anything other than what her son told her to do? Again, we just don't know yet? But, if he did leave, then she does have some explaining to do. Even if he took her keys, and cell phone, she could have ran to neighbors for help. But in time, we will know the facts, ugly as they may be. It is sad all around.

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-19T08:28:04-06:00

ID

95744

Comment

Sadly, it looks like the little pervert, Phil Spector, may get off, too. The jury is deadlocked, and may be forced to consider lesser charges. According to many women, Spector didn't believe romance was perfect unless he had a loaded pistol stuck in the lady's mouth. I guess his music isn't the only thing he liked out of the ordinary.

Author

Ray Carter

Date

2007-09-19T09:09:22-06:00

ID

95745

Comment

Look the bottom line here is if Mrs. Bell isn't hiding anything and cares about what the public perception of her is as it relates to this incident, then she is just as free as JMK is to speak her peice. Just as we saw earlier with our Mayor not addressing direct questions and diverting attention of people wanting to know, if she chooses to be quiet and not explain (although I don't doubt that this is hard and almost unbearable for her too) what happened, then she is subject to public opinion. I for one, can't see any reason why I would stay in the house with a dead or dying body. I haven't been (thank GOD) in this situation, but I still tend to think that it would be difficult for me to do. I am a mother and I love my child just as she loves her son. However, there was a dead body in her home. ...still. What kind of person can live with that? Like LW said, what if she could've been saved? What if she wasn't dead for some time while Ms. Bell was there with her? What if..... what if.....

Author

Queen601

Date

2007-09-19T09:20:33-06:00

ID

95746

Comment

I'm not defending Ms Bell pikersam

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-19T09:28:41-06:00

ID

95747

Comment

And I'm not accusing or attacking her. I'm simply trying to understand this.

Author

Queen601

Date

2007-09-19T09:35:01-06:00

ID

95748

Comment

Well for one thing, "Steel Magnolias" are trained from birth to not show emotion when under extreme stress and Mrs. Bell is definitely a "Steel Magnolia". Can any of you even begin to understand the extreme stress she must have been (an probably still is) suffering from? I feel certain that what you are repeating above is rumor. One of the rumors I have heard is that she doesn't even live in that house. Personally, I do not care which holding facility he is in, just keep him in one! And, regardless of my feelings for the victim, I still believe in timely justice and not judging before all of the facts. Also, this appears to be a textbook case for training women to LEAVE and STAY AWAY from abusive men. NOT to believe you can change them. Abusers are just like child molestors; they do not belong in the society of regular humans.

Author

ChrisCavanaugh

Date

2007-09-19T10:00:52-06:00

ID

95749

Comment

Chris what do you refer to when you say--- "I feel certain that what you are repeating above is rumor"

Author

wallygator

Date

2007-09-19T10:09:22-06:00

ID

95750

Comment

About her having been alone and not going for help for one.....words like implied cover-up and special treatment, etc. And, I should have added that with long-term treatment and support an abuser may change; I don't believe a child molester can change.

Author

ChrisCavanaugh

Date

2007-09-19T10:19:34-06:00

ID

95751

Comment

Thanks for clarifying... I am really upset at the rumors that are going around. I feel like this is an avenue for rumors. I believe that one of the first posts on the original comments started off with special treatment cause hes a rich white boy, then we get into special treatment cause of his name, then we implement his mom, then we say she is covering up..... Then the administrator of these comments: "How can one woman do that to another woman considering all we have dealt with for centuries?" What exactly did she do MS Ladd??????? That would provoke you to attack her character. What did she do that you know for sure? Remember the quote that you sent me by email------"Be careful, though, when speaking about people who are still alive" I believe that I am done posting to this site. I am sadened by how we as people are so quick to "render" judgement. I still believe that we as Americans are innocent until proven guilty. I still believe that we should pray (TO GOD)in schools, and I still believe that Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I still believe that we are granted the liberty to say what we feel, but it should not hurt or affect anyone that is not deserving of our slander!!!!!

Author

wallygator

Date

2007-09-19T10:58:41-06:00

ID

95752

Comment

What did she do that you know for sure? I know for sure that she was in the house all night with the body and that he left to go get Spencer's roommate to bring her over there. Apparently, she also called her attorney while her son was out of the house, so it doesn't sound like she was tied up. I've said before that I like Ms. Bell, but I have a hard time understanding this one. And it is not slander to question her actions (or non-actions). "Slander" would be speaking unfactual statements as facts, not expressing an opinion about what someone actually did.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-19T12:07:42-06:00

ID

95753

Comment

wallygator, don't leave. no one else here will say this to you. but it's the difference of opinion on this site that offers the solace that it tends to lend. So from one "I QUIT" person to another, don't go. I appreciate your opinion and I cherish the fact that I can come here and be vocal with intelligent people combating my every word. This is really not about Mrs. Bell or George either. This is about Heather Spencer and those like her. Although I would love to know what happened in that house. What role did Mrs Bell play. And I whole heartedly believe that she should tell us from her own mouth. But I've been around long enough to know that it doesn't work that way. As a woman I know she has got to be dealing with hard times....a troubled spirit if you will....but still let us not be diverted from the fact that this man killed an innocent woman who loved him!!! This must stop. And from the looks of how things are going for Georgie Boy, I don't think he'll get the punishment he deserves.

Author

Queen601

Date

2007-09-19T12:10:48-06:00

ID

95754

Comment

Queen601, you rock.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-19T12:18:36-06:00

ID

95755

Comment

Thank you Donna. And you know what I think you're just about as fed up with this ENTIRE CRISIS as I am. I'm ready to act when you are. I know you have to get the ducks lined up...holla at me! (that means contact me) :-)

Author

Queen601

Date

2007-09-19T12:31:22-06:00

ID

95756

Comment

Interesting info. I was just saying that I thought JMK was 'poking' more than asking 'probing' questions when we don't know all the facts. I certainly want to hear folks opinions or facts if they got'em. I'm with y'all on this, I was just throwing out reasons why she may not have done anything. It's sounds like my theory was not the case. But, it does happen.

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-19T12:43:50-06:00

ID

95757

Comment

Would someone please tell me where the info came from about Robbie being in the house all night, or that the body was there all night...... I have no first hand knowledge of this.

Author

wallygator

Date

2007-09-19T12:51:07-06:00

ID

95758

Comment

Sorry, Donna. I didn't know those were facts. Guess I'll just have to wait to hear the whole story, or as much as it is possible to ever know the whole truth. Over my lifetime there have been some really interesting murders in Mississippi. (Reckon that is true elsewhere but this is where I live.) So far as I can remember, two of the more notorious northeast Jackson murderers are still in Whitfield and will remain there for the rest of their lives. What is driving the skepticism regarding Bell's conviction for murder? To me there is little doubt of a conviction. The heart of the problem lies in not taking seriously previous attempts to harm. So many domestic disputes are ignored or minimized. If our City would start taking these types of calls seriously I believe it would reduce the incidents. If the abusers (usually men but I am including women also) were forced away from those they are abusing and made to attend groups or classes then things would get better. To stop a bully you must first get their attention. Citizens must believe that someone has the power to prevent the abuse. When law enforcement abdicates this role in society then all become vulnerable. If our laws have no effect in abuse situations then we must work for better laws.

Author

ChrisCavanaugh

Date

2007-09-19T13:09:06-06:00

ID

95759

Comment

My information comes from law-enforcement sources. I first heard the rumor, then confirmed it, which is what we do. I don't state that something is a fact until and unless I have confirmed it. Then, if I learn that my sources were wrong, I will correct it. This is standard journalistic policy, and I practice it even in blogging. Queen, I know what "holla" means. I want to have a town-hall meeting. I'm working on a location and date now. Hang tight.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-19T14:33:14-06:00

ID

95760

Comment

:-) :-) ....my bad, couldn't resist. I'll be right here!

Author

Queen601

Date

2007-09-19T14:47:56-06:00

ID

95761

Comment

Queen you are a favorite blogger of mine due to your ability to speak your mind openly yet be willing to listen, also. Even when you get mad you come back and listen. And you have passion.

Author

Izzy

Date

2007-09-19T14:56:53-06:00

ID

95762

Comment

Remember, we want him alive at trial. It'll be interesting who among the Old Men of Mississippi come to his side to defend him. Wonder where Danks will be?

Author

Ironghost

Date

2007-09-19T15:16:05-06:00

ID

95763

Comment

Then the administrator of these comments: "How can one woman do that to another woman considering all we have dealt with for centuries?" What exactly did she do MS Ladd??????? That would provoke you to attack her character. What did she do that you know for sure? wallygator, I was the one who said that, not Donna. I apologize if I sounded judgmental because I try not to be, but I was TICKED! I had also seen on the news that Ms. Bell spent the night with the body.

Author

LatashaWillis

Date

2007-09-19T20:48:52-06:00

ID

95764

Comment

I've been reading the comments and grieve deeply this poor young woman's death. At the same time, I can't help but think of the expression, "hate the sin, not the sinner." Right now, there's so much hate directed at GBIII; so many people want to personally administer the punishment and burn his mother at the stake. Oh how we like to see the mighty fall. His sin, obviously, was murder. But why did he murder? Because he was defective? A bad seed from birth? Or because he was a disturbed and unstable person who became dangerous—a walking timebomb—with his abuse of drugs? Not only do we need to arm ourselves with information and pull together to prevent domestic abuse, and make sure offenders are punished, we need to get serious about what drugs are doing to our town and our neighbors and their kids. How many people do you know who can't control a child or grandchild because of addiction issues? I've known more than I can count on both hands. Rich and poor. Stable families and unstable ones. The elderly, in ALL parts or town, are frequently victimized by their grandchildren who are stealing their prescription meds. It's not like taking a nip out of the bar. These kids are getting hooked on serious drugs. Oh and let's don't even talk about coke, meth, crack, steroids. I remember Dunn Lampton once saying (when he was running for Congress) we didn't need more police on the streets, we needed more drug rehabilitation programs and clinics, education and intervention at earlier ages/stages. And duh, isn't there a likely connection between alcohol and many domestic abuse cases? Some people drink and get mellow. Abusers drink and get mean. Ignoring or minimizing addiction or substance abuse is another mistake that victims make.

Author

stern

Date

2007-09-19T23:21:56-06:00

ID

95765

Comment

These kids are getting hooked on serious drugs. stern Sure kids are getting hooked on drugs. George Bell III was a 33 year old man dating a woman. He was not a kid! He could easily have a 10 year old child, and a college education at the age 33. Dude was a creep through and through. The story in the paper today about his shady auto dealership only confirms that. Police said they could not reach Bell in the initial stages of the investigation because he was at the rehab center. They are still trying to interview Bell, Barrett said. In Bell's absence, the car dealership fell apart. His father, George Bell Jr., took over but could not salvage the business. IW Motors closed a few weeks later. Sad isn't it? I think we do need to focus on drug addiction; but, at age 33 I have a hard time giving a person a pass (or an excuse) for hammering his girlfriend because he was doing coke and steriods. Plenty of people abuse drugs and alcohol that don't ever harm a family member.

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-20T08:06:50-06:00

ID

95766

Comment

BTW: What does a person have to do to around this town to get charged with attempted murder? From the Ledge's law briefs: Police: Boyfriend shot woman, 24 A 24-year-old woman was shot in the upper torso Wednesday by her live-in boyfriend, police said. The shooting happened around 3 p.m. at 1319 Dianne Drive in Jackson. Police said Charles Smith, 38, shot Takari Brown after a domestic altercation at the home. Brown was transported to Central Mississippi Medical Center. Her condition was not made available. Smith was arrested and charge with aggravated assault. He is being held at the Hinds County Detention Center.

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-20T08:10:02-06:00

ID

95767

Comment

From what I understand, there is no "attempted murder" statute in Mississippi. Aggravated Assault is nearly the same thing and it carries a 20 year sentence.

Author

xxgreg

Date

2007-09-20T08:23:31-06:00

ID

95768

Comment

It also sounds like Bell took a lot of very deliberate actions in the hours when he allegedly killed her and when his attorney helped negotiate his surrender. Clearly, something was wrong with him, and clearly people didn't get him enough help. I'm sympathetic, as I am with all criminals, toward the conditions that got him to this point, but he clearly was very, very dangerous and some folks enabled him a long the way. There are many lessons in here.

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-20T08:26:04-06:00

ID

95769

Comment

What is it—War on Women Week??? Wonder if this gunslinger was also a law-abiding citizen?

Author

DonnaLadd

Date

2007-09-20T08:26:57-06:00

ID

95770

Comment

greg, I know this is a small thing; but is there any reason why MS doesn't put more bite into what we call offenses? I know people get bent out of shape when they hear "malicious mischief" for a armed car jacking or similar offense. Yet, when reading the Code you realize it is a serious offense. Why not call attempted murder "attempted murder?" Same thing with these other terms. I think the public would be better served if they knew someone could get "attempted murder" or "armed robbery" over aggravated assault and malicious mischief as the charge. If a weapon is involved it should be attempted murder period. Has it always been this way, or has America PC'ed our terms for crimes too? It seems like if a guy attacks his girlfriend a hammer (or anyone for that matter) then they should be charged with attempted murder regardless as to whether the victim files a charge or not. Don't fool yourselves people, lawyers have lobbyists too!

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-20T08:56:52-06:00

ID

95771

Comment

20 years is 20 years, whether it is agg. assault or attempted murder. I have no explanation for the various criminal statutes put on the books by legislators. For instance, (again, as I understand it) in Mississippi, breaking into a car and stealing something out of the car carries a higher maximum sentence than stealing the car and all it contains. Go figure.

Author

xxgreg

Date

2007-09-20T09:04:32-06:00

ID

95772

Comment

It just seems contrary to what the public knows. If you watch national news, they speak of "attempted murder" and spare no graphic details on the crimes they are reporting. TV law and order dramas even make it worse. The public is confused. In one state you beat down someone you may get charged with attempted murder, and in another state just a felony abuse. I'm certainly not complaining to you, it just seems like we've watered down what we have come to know over 225+ years as a country when it comes to crime. Good example above you gave! Doesn't make sense. Just like it doesn't make sense that our police won't release the initial police report about George Bell, but they can dig up the statement where she dropped the charges. Then after she is murdered, in a similar fashion to the original attack, they go back and refile those charges. BTW: Does Melton have the same kind of concern for the Spencer family or did he figure just sending his lackey Robert Smith to the funeral was good enough for her family? Melton met in private with more than 20 of Shavers' relatives, including her mother, at her Ludlow Avenue home and sat on the same couch on which she was shot Monday night. The mayor would not answer questions afterward. "(Melton) said he was going to personally make sure that things were handled properly," Hopkins said. "Saying is one thing and doing is another, but I have confidence he'll do what he says." More... Melton promised the family he would get counseling for the daughter and other children in the family. O RLY? This will probably be another broken promise by Melton.

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-20T09:26:12-06:00

ID

95773

Comment

I mentioned earlier that WAPT have audio of DA Elect Robert Smith speaking about the Spencer case. He had brought flowers to the family and attended the funeral. He is the report from WAPT. However, they do not have a video link, nor do they mention Robert Smith going to the funeral or his quotes. WTF WAPT!?! WAPT please try to do better or fix these videos. If our DA is going to set a standard of flowers and funeral attendance for murder victims the public needs to know! What if what he did taints the case, and GBIII walks free?

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-21T07:49:44-06:00

ID

95774

Comment

Drugs affect people differently, cocaine and meth have a propensity for causing paranoia which can lead to violence...which is why these drugs are rightfully outlawed. Drug use doesn't excuse the behaviour but at least it helps us understand how this terrible thing could have happened.

Author

GLewis

Date

2007-09-21T10:04:13-06:00

ID

95775

Comment

I am glad that there is such an outrage about domestic violence, because it IS an issue that deserves more attention. But this isn’t a case of the typical domestic violence scenario. Heather was not scared of George, and she didn’t stay with him because she didn’t have anywhere else to go/feared for her life/knew she could never get away from him. She may have been blinded by love and had hopes that the wonderful man she once knew would return, but to put her in the category with women who are so fearful of men is wrong. Heather was a fighter, strong willed, and did what she believed she should do for the man she loved. Also, there are other pieces to the puzzle that contributed to George getting so angry. I think he had every right to be mad… but physical violence is NEVER OK! If he couldn’t handle what was happening within their relationship he should have broken up with her and moved on. Drugs changed George, but he is still responsible because he CHOSE to go down that road and get into drugs. He had the perfect life laid out for him- handsome, wealthy family, beautiful girlfriend, great personality- and he screwed it all up himself. This could have been a great love story but instead he ruined his own life. I feel that his PARENTS are also responsible here, because they should have made their son learn to take responsibility for his own actions at some point in his life instead of covering his tracks every time he got into trouble. George was a great person for a long time, but I wish his friends would quit saying “the real George would never do this”. The real-life George did do this, and he got to this point because of his own actions to get mixed up in drugs and not seek help. This is the person he is now, and just because he did something out of his normal capacity doesn’t mean this wasn’t “him” that did it. He changed over a period of time, it just wasn’t so noticeable until something like this happens. I know he used to be different… he was a WONDERFUL person. But, even wonderful people make mistakes and they have to pay the penalty for their actions… something that will be new to him.

Author

BB

Date

2007-09-22T00:15:33-06:00

ID

95776

Comment

Absolutely GBIII is not a kid and is responsible for his choices and his actions. My earlier comments on drugs and domestic abuse were based on my experience growing up with an abusive parent who became violent with my mother, brother and sister at different times when he was drinking and maybe on who knows what else. The abuse never happened unless he was high. So maybe it colored my thinking (incorrectly) that many abusers (disturbed people) strike out under the influence when they wouldn't otherwise. My comments on "kids on drugs" weren't about GBIII but about those kids who steal drugs from their grandparent or parent or any family member who may have a chronic or serious condition and has to have pain meds. Just because these older folks aren't beaten up doesn't mean they aren't abused; they're left to suffer sometimes intense pain because they can't get another prescription (because it's a controlled substance or they can't afford to pay twice.) The kids, and they are teenagers I'm speaking of, will steal money, tvs or other appliances to pawn, food to give to their friends they're bumming off of. And in many cases the family members also fear some of the bad dudes these kids hang out with and what they're capable of (shooting wrecklessly, stray bullets, etc.) As far as male-female domestic abuse, it's clearly a control issue for most abusers, but there are people who truly seem to have alternate personalities when they're inebriated and will become angry enough to fight. Does anyone know if GBIII was ever violent with past girlfriends before he started doing drugs?

Author

stern

Date

2007-09-22T18:31:29-06:00

ID

95777

Comment

Hey Stern, I totally agree with that post. As for your last question, I did not know George before he started using any drugs... many of his longtime friends reported George beginning to dabble in them 10 years or so ago. One thing that I do know from being friends with the victim in this case is that he showed signs of being overly jealous and aggressive when he was completely sober, also. The combination of drugs + the thought of any other guys with his girlfriends is what sets him over the edge.

Author

BB

Date

2007-09-22T22:44:18-06:00

ID

95778

Comment

The George I knew wasn't into any hard drugs that I know about, but do that stuff long enough and people change. And yeah BB I agree that people have to accept responsibility for their actions, but I'm definatly curious as to what set this guy off.

Author

GLewis

Date

2007-09-22T23:48:30-06:00

ID

95779

Comment

GLewis, this article confirms what I have heard from mutual friends... also fits right along the lines of other stories that she told me herself. See quote from friend below George's pic

Author

BB

Date

2007-09-23T01:37:12-06:00

ID

95780

Comment

maybe this one will work

Author

BB

Date

2007-09-23T01:41:18-06:00

ID

95781

Comment

When did being 33 years old become being "a young man?" Is this statement right from CourtTV: Police arrested Bell for simple assault, but on August 8, Heather filed an affidavit with police, requesting they drop the charges. That document read in part:

Author

pikersam

Date

2007-09-23T10:33:08-06:00

ID

95782

Comment

Thanks for the insight, BB. We always want to know why in these tragic situations. It's obvious he had some serious issues and was a timebomb.

Author

stern

Date

2007-09-23T13:04:25-06:00